Religion debate

[*Ahmed-fox *]

In the name of God the most gracious the most merciful]

It will be said "Were not My verses recited to you and you used to deny them?"They will say "Our Lord our wretchedness overcame us and we were a people astrayOur Lord remove us from it, and if we were to return to evil we would indeed be wrongdoers."He will say "Remain despised therein and do not speak to Me.Indeed, there was a party of My servants who said 'Our Lord we have believed so forgive us and have mercy upon us and You are the best of the merciful.'But you took them in mockery to the point that they made you forget My remembrance and you used to laugh at them.Indeed I have rewarded them this Day for their patient endurance - that they are the attainers [of success"Allāh] will say "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day ask those who enumerate"He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?"So exalted is Allāh the Sovereign the Truth- there is no deity except Him Lord of the Noble Throne.And whoever invokes besides Allāh another deity for which he has no proof - then his account is only with his Lord. Indeed, the disbelievers will not succeed

 

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the happy ending for us would be "israel no longer exists", and everybody knows (even jews and zionists) its inevitable, it will happen sooner or later, its just a matter of time.

also you cant sum up why millions of muslims (and other religions) worship a god in "dedicating theirselves because of a happy ending"

also wdym "nothing in between"? as in a happy ending with no price to be paid? surely nothing comes easily like that lmao, look at the deaths/suffering in gaza as an example, thats the price.

"should suffer", its not like we make ourselves suffer diberately so that we could live a happy afterlife?
we believe this mortal life is a test to see who is who, and tests are never easy, otherwise there would be no point at all.
and upon that is determined our afterlife, the real life not a test..

not because he's not supposed to act at all , its more like people shouldnt force god to do what they want to happen, then become mad when it doesnt happen, because humans are near-sighted people who want immediate results, but god is the best planner.


our "moral compass" is a lot of things, and yes being scared of hell is one of them, whats wrong with that lol?
in my opinion, fear is the best fuel to humans.


thats insane that you make those assumptions wtf?
its not that he wants them dead smh, more like he wants the best for them on the long-term, maybe because he wants the whole world to know the lies of israel and watch them exposed? or maybe because of other reasons humans wouldnt appreciate.

i literally said it wasnt mine xd

Nothing lasts forever this is the only knowledge you need in the universe.

What you're saying can be framed in so many ways.. Problem is both Israel and neighbouring countries are in the wrong maybe one little more than the other, just maybe.

Anyway Israel has right to exist and that is what you're nullifying whatever religious text saying.

 

[*Ahmed-fox *]

Nothing last forever this is the only knowledge you need in the universe.

What you're saying can be framed in so many ways.. Problem is both Israel and neighbouring countries are in the wrong maybe one little more than the other, just maybe.

Anyway Israel has right to exist and that is what you're nullifying whatever religious text saying.

lol

 

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can anyone tell me why doesn’t Allah support Gaza, or why hasn’t he done it so far? Is it not supported by Quran or smth?

It's been a while since you asked and maybe you found your answer to your question. But I still wanted to adress this from a religious and a philosophical perspective.

Let's ask some questions:

What is the definition of the word 'God'?
A supreme being: the ultimate, all-powerful, all-knowing, and eternal creator and ruler of the universe.

So by a generally accepted definition God is a being that is all-knowing and all-powerful.

So does God know what's going on in Gaza?
Yes, as he is all-knowing.

Does God have the ability to help Gaza?
Yes, as he is all-powerful.

So does this mean that God is allowing this to happen?
Yes, as he is all-willing (everything that happens, happens according to his will)

Does this mean that God is evil?
No, evil actions come from the choices of human beings. Humans have free will. Which means that they can do anything in this life.

What is 'evil'?
Evil: profound immorality, wickedness, or wrongdoing that causes harm, suffering, or destruction.

Why does God allow evil?
A God is an ultimate being that is all-powerful and is all-willing. Which means he can create and choose everything the way he wants it with complete authority.

From a philosophical perspective you can argue that there is no good without bad. There is no good without evil. There is no justice without injustice. There is no happiness and comfort without sadness, depression and struggle. In the nature of this world it is impossible that there is no evil or struggle. If all suffering were removed, people would start seeing smaller inconveniences as “suffering” because humans compare experiences.

Example: If war and famine disappeared, then things like a minor argument or a late bus might start to feel like “injustice” compared to the surrounding comfort.

From an Islamic perspective the Quran states that this life is a test and that every human being on this world will be tested. God doesn't promise a world where it's all sunshine and roses. It is a challenge to test human beings if they're going to live their lives according to the teachings of God. When we observe the lives of the Prophets we see that they have suffered the most. Even the most beloved creation of God have suffered. God is testing if we will make sacrifices, show patience, do the moral thing even if it is to our disadvantage.

Nowhere does God promise a life of ease without hardship. Even the Prophets — the most beloved to God — endured the greatest struggles and suffering. Victory, prosperity, and safety are never granted without sacrifice, patience, and steadfastness. The Qur’an is guidance: God gave us the tools to build a just and prosperous society. But it is upon humanity to act. If even the Prophets had to sacrifice everything they had, how could we expect to be spared struggle?

Conclusion:
Allah knows, Allah is able, and Allah allows. But not because He is unjust. Rather, He has made this world a place of test and trial. The responsibility to act lies with us: leaders, communities, and individuals.

 

[*Ahmed-fox *]

It's been a while since you asked and maybe you found your answer to your question. But I still wanted to adress this from a religious and a philosophical perspective.

Let's ask some questions:

What is the definition of the word 'God'?
A supreme being: the ultimate, all-powerful, all-knowing, and eternal creator and ruler of the universe.

So by a generally accepted definition God is a being that is all-knowing and all-powerful.

So does God know what's going on in Gaza?
Yes, as he is all-knowing.

Does God have the ability to help Gaza?
Yes, as he is all-powerful.

So does this mean that God is allowing this to happen?
Yes, as he is all-willing (everything that happens, happens according to his will)

Does this mean that God is evil?
No, evil actions come from the choices of human beings. Humans have free will. Which means that they can do anything in this life.

What is 'evil'?
Evil: profound immorality, wickedness, or wrongdoing that causes harm, suffering, or destruction.

Why does God allow evil?
A God is an ultimate being that is all-powerful and is all-willing. Which means he can create and choose everything the way he wants it with complete authority.

From a philosophical perspective you can argue that there is no good without bad. There is no good without evil. There is no justice without injustice. There is no happiness and comfort without sadness, depression and struggle. In the nature of this world it is impossible that there is no evil or struggle. If all suffering were removed, people would start seeing smaller inconveniences as “suffering” because humans compare experiences.

Example: If war and famine disappeared, then things like a minor argument or a late bus might start to feel like “injustice” compared to the surrounding comfort.

From an Islamic perspective the Quran states that this life is a test and that every human being on this world will be tested. God doesn't promise a world where it's all sunshine and roses. It is a challenge to test human beings if they're going to live their lives according to the teachings of God. When we observe the lives of the Prophets we see that they have suffered the most. Even the most beloved creation of God have suffered. God is testing if we will make sacrifices, show patience, do the moral thing even if it is to our disadvantage.

Nowhere does God promise a life of ease without hardship. Even the Prophets — the most beloved to God — endured the greatest struggles and suffering. Victory, prosperity, and safety are never granted without sacrifice, patience, and steadfastness. The Qur’an is guidance: God gave us the tools to build a just and prosperous society. But it is upon humanity to act. If even the Prophets had to sacrifice everything they had, how could we expect to be spared struggle?

Conclusion:
Allah knows, Allah is able, and Allah allows. But not because He is unjust. Rather, He has made this world a place of test and trial. The responsibility to act lies with us: leaders, communities, and individuals.

goooooooooooooooood nice